Hello, thanks for the comment. Let me see if I can clarify my thoughts a little further.
In my opinion, what you will find with trading is that you should be aware of price action concepts that have large groups of people believing in them. It doesn't matter if Elliott Waves are just a self fulfilling prophecy at times or not, it matters that large amounts of money is often being traded based on belief in them. The same could be said for Fibonacci which is also something I remain aware of but don't personally use.
In the Free eBook you will notice I mention that I do not care about them all the time but I do like to consider them when we are having a clear trending market. If you continue you on through my videos and other material then by the end of the VIP videos you would understand that I am happy to trade 4th and even 5th pushes in a certain direction if various other elements show me it is OK to do so.Ă‚Â
So I imagine we are no too far off in our thoughts about Elliott Waves I don't give them much weight at all but do feel they were worth an "awareness" mention in the introductory eBook.Ă‚Â
Cheers,
Theo
Thanks for your reply Theo and yes you are right about both fibs and Elliot waves being self fullfilling and worth a look for that reason. So I will spend some more time studying them. I do know some guys who use them as their main method and they tell me they are worth about 60% winners and I am looking for much better win rate. Thanks again Sir and GO Tampa beat The Eagles tomorrow
Trading for me can be broken down into 3 stages of thought.
1. Location Location Location
2. Reason to Enter / Entry Tigger
3. Risk:Reward and Trade Management
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Almost all of the time I can satisfy my requirements without the Elliott Wave and Fibonacci .. but certainly if I needed something extra to satisfy the above #1 then they could be used and there is nothing wrong with awareness of what large groups of people follow.
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note: A 60% win rate is perfectly OK if you have your risk:reward in tact but a higher % win rate is possible.
Hello Theo, Is there a set amount of candles before you would consider it a wave. I would think maybe a minimum of 23% or do you use a zig zag indi or? Well in response to the 60% you are right but like you said in the e book my winners always seem to be smaller than my losers. I'm working on it though and someday I will be there.I am still a little confused on how to set it and forget it for entries. Seems if you are really using candle confirmation then you must wait for the candle to close. This is my biggest weakness. Always seems when an engulfing candle occurs it is already to far away an if its a pin bar it goes the wrong way and an inside bar yes I could set this trade near in the direction of the trend above or below it and possibly win that trade. Twizzers are the easiest and most productive for me.May I ask you also do you use weekly or daily confirmation at all.Thank you so much and God Bless you for all you do for others. Regards TDTB
I always found that the safer play was 38% unless it was a very weak pullback that was drawn out sideways for enough candles that visually it was justifiable as a relative pullback. With the WavEFX that I have developed we do have a kind of triple zig zag indi that helps you see 3 different scales of wave activity. Due to the timeless nature of that charting system what that means is that you are able to see the equivalent of 3 different regular charts movements on 1 chart, if that makes any sense. I did find that getting a zig zag indi to represent what I wanted on a candlestick chart was not an easy task though and even on the timeless WavEFX charts we customized one thanks to our in house programmer.
Using a set and forget technique with candles means that you need to be there at every candle close yes. If you were trading the 4 hour chart then you would need to check in quickly every 4 hours (except when sleeping) and have the right tools to plot out a point of entry and a point of cancellation plus management if your entry point is triggered. There are some tools in the v1 course that allow you to start getting used to doing all of this and after I finish writing this I am going to give you that free v1 upgrade due to your impressive desire to learn.
I do like the Daily chart and will look at it every trade so I know what type of trade I am in. The daily chart at the right zoom level is enough for me to see daily, weekly and monthly swings so I don't need to look any further and when trading candlesticks the daily candles can be very powerful tools.
Thanks so much for the videos and the template/indis. Before I talk about trading this method today please allow me to thank you this means more than you may ever know. In all of our lives we only meet a few truely good people with a God like heart. The christian Bible says to give and it will be given to you. Get ready because God never lies. I wanted to ask you about my profile and let you know it shows me in Los Angeles time zone but I live in Tampa Florida. Not sure how to change that. What all currencies do you trade and maybe tell me why.Well I have watched all the videos and read everything so now I will practice some. I like looking at the 30 minute along with the 4 hour on the screen. I will work on my patience and promise to report the results God Bles you Sir TDTB
You are very welcome sir, I hope you are able to benefit from my experiences.
I like to follow EURUSD, GBPUSD, AUDUSD and XAUUSD(GOLD). I advise that anyone starting out though focus on 1 or 2 pairs at the most though. My favorite 2 pairs are the EURUSD and GBPUSD with the EURUSD being my overall favorite. The reason for this is because it is really quite smooth and rarely gets choppy for too long. The GBPUSD is a much choppier pair overall but it has great and fast moves when they do set up correctly. The reason I like those 2 together is that they generally have a great confluence 90% of the time.
The 4 hour with m30 when used correctly are great together but success can be had using only the 4 hour for the complete beginner, it seems to me that you are long passed the beginner stage though so the 2 charts together should be good for you. Later on you will see that with WavEFX what I have done is I have everything from daily-m5 covered with just 3 charts.
A picture speaks a 1000 words though so here is a quick look at what I mean.
Starting from left to right it all begins with the daily chart and we slowly zoom in and observe up to an m5 scale of wave activity.
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Red Line = Selling price
Purple Line – Stop Loss
Green Line = Take Profit
Back Line = Break Even Point (if you use one)Ă‚Â
Hi Theo, It looks like you are doing this with offline charts and possibly one of your EA's Will be exciting to learn it all.I pretty much have done everything by hand meaning setting up my charts like pending orders tp sl and etc. I have been trading on MT 4 for 5 years and still have a small live account with IBFX. They allow micro and mini accounts but they do all they can to make me lose.I will look into the 2 you recommend as soon as I get time and maybe I will open a Demo account. I also like the EUR/USD, GBP/USD and AUD/USD My broker doesn.t offer Gold.Did you see in my last post about where I live. It shows LA but I live in Tampa Florida. By the way Tampa is a beautiful place to visit. Thats an invite. We live about 40 minutes out of town in farm country but we do have high speed internet. We have lots of room Just my wife and me here. Just bring your laptop and trade right on the beach. I really enjoy trading and learning all I can about it. Thanks so much my friend and God Bless
You are welcome and yes, they are timeless charts generated by a simple mathematical formula to keep them organic and adaptive to market volatility.
You guys in the US are pretty much out of luck with Brokers and the 2 I have for recommendation at this site won't even accept you. I will chat with my US based VIP members and see what the current consensus is for the US resident and an MT4 broker.
The Forum is hosted by a company that is based out of CA so that is why you see LA as the timezone, you can adjust this for yourself by clicking the profile button just above. and then going to "options>display options"
Thanks for the invite..Ă‚Â be careful I may take you up on it!
I like your style, I have a house on the beach myself in Greece.
Hi Theo, I am patiently watching the E/U and the G/U for a turn around both are overbought especially the G/U. I'm starting to look at the waves and try to judge about when the run is nearing the end.I like the way you use the last wave to determine if the wave is smaller it means it is beginning to weaken.I need a lot more practice and before this I used the BB bands as a volatility indicator or if you like an over bought/sold indicator.But the problem with that method is it can hit the outer band and just keep going. I have now tossed all of this stuff and am ready to become a real trader.I think of your method as an evidence based method. If x happens at a certain S/R, trend line, candle confirm probabilities of the trade get much better. I will try to get this up to 80% + method . I also like the minimum of a 1-1 trade based from the stop loss location. I will watch the videos a few more times over the weekend to make sure I have it all down. It still is much harder to read in real time and when I can anticipate what happens and it happens then I will feel more comfortable. I wanted to tell you that I don't live on the beach but in fact live in the country about a 30 minute ride to the beach. It's called the nature coast. Just far enough away from the city to be a safe location but only 30 minutes from the Gulf of Mexico. I went to Italy in 1999 and we wanted to cross the mediterranean sea and go to Greece but time didn't allow it. I love to travel but things have been so bad lately I haven't traveled much in the last few years. I don't think it cost too much to fly from there to here but I'm not sure. But the invite still stands but I would make you crazy from 10,000 trading questions LOL. God bless and have a great day TDTB
it's nice to wait for the short term trend to end and get in to the daily level next sell and longer term trend if it sets up.. it's also important though not to fight this short term trend until it proves that it is over. We have had some great buy setups, even just yesterday was another.
I'm not sure when my next trip to north america will be but I'll keep your offer in mind, thanks! I am used to the 10,000 questions when I visit people and it's all good with me, the explaining helps me discoverĂ‚Â improvementsĂ‚Â and tweaks.Ă‚Â
Hello again THeo, I am still trying to get my arms around this wave theory. I see them sometimes and sometimes not very clear. I tried looking at a line chart and a renkor chart. The line chart was more clear but the currency does not seem to move in the right # of waves more than 50% of the time in order to predict the end of a trend even though you would still have to wait for confirmation. I even would see a shorter wave than the one before and think ok weakening just to be followed by a much longer one. I know I didn't pay you any money for this info and if I am out of line then please forgive me. I will look more closely at my finances and make some sort of decision on this. Thanks again sir TDTB
If it doesn't make sense then don't use it is my advice.Ă‚Â
Personally the elliott wave concept is just something I take in to consideration when it is an obvious impulse wave style visual. I will on occasion trade a 4th and 5th wave in one direction though because my core concepts have priority. You can trade well with SR areas, confirmation of them, entry trigger, good trade management / RR. Probably best to start with that and you can always revisit this concept later on.
February 12, 2013
Hi Theo,
I just wanted to say thanks. I've just been thru the two videos and read the e-books and found it all very clear, logical and easy to understand. Now I just have to get to use it correctly
I must admit I had an aversion to Elliott Waves as they seemed a bit subjective but the way you use them is logical.
i look forward to the next video and putting it all into practice.
Kenp240 said
Hi Theo,I just wanted to say thanks. I've just been thru the two videos and read the e-books and found it all very clear, logical and easy to understand. Now I just have to get to use it correctly
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I must admit I had an aversion to Elliott Waves as they seemed a bit subjective but the way you use them is logical.
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i look forward to the next video and putting it all into practice.
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You're welcome Ken, thanks for taking the time to drop me a note.
I hope the free videos help and I will be adding to the course this weekend.
July 3, 2013
Hi traders, I thought i would drop in and give my input on the Elliott wave principle. The first 3 years of my trading were using E.W. I thought it was the holy grail because it is mass psychology. I still like seeing charts of it and understand what the trader see's. (yes i agree it is self fulfilling) by that i mean that 5 good traders will have 5 different counts on the same chart.Ă‚Â
E.W. is a complex trading method which is useful to understand, but useless as the only methodology for trading. I am glad i learned E.W. but wish i hadn't wasted 3 years trying to trade it. This is just my opinion not meant to offend anyone.
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